10:14 < TMemo> Hi barry
10:17 <@irving> a grain of salt? he's got all the charm of a gallon of seawater! 
10:17 <@irving> :)
10:17 < TMemo> :D
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10:25 < TMemo> Hey, LordBlink :D
10:25  * kd job hunts
10:25  * TMemo is hiring someone
10:26  * TMemo needs someoen to eork for him
10:26 < kd> in Canada?
10:26 < TMemo> kd: Interested?
10:26 <@Jamminvk> oh man, WWDC reschedule again, there's gonna be a lot of pissed off people
10:26 < TMemo> Yeah
10:26 < TMemo> Quebec :D
10:26 < TMemo> Do you live near there?
10:26 < kd> Oh, wow. I'm originally from Quebec. Where? Doing what?
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10:26 < TMemo> WEll...
10:27 < TMemo> I need someone to work for me.
10:27 < TMemo> Can you program?
10:27 < kd> Somewhat. To do what?
10:27 < TMemo> I need someoen to program with me so I can do projects faster.
10:28 < TMemo> *someone
10:28 < TMemo> I'm working on an HTML parser.
10:28 < kd> I see.
10:28 < TMemo> Alone, it will take me FOREVER and a day
10:28 < TMemo> What languages do you know?
10:29 < kd> C, Java, a bit of Scheme, ML, some assembly languages ...
10:29 < TMemo> AN intermediate knowledge of C++ or C is acceptable.
10:29 < TMemo> Do you have that?
10:29 < kd> I don't know how to tell.
10:29 < TMemo> Oh, I see.
10:29 < kd> I've been using C on and off for quite a while.
10:29 < TMemo> What have you written?
10:29 < kd> 8 years or so.
10:30 < TMemo> Do you have knowledge of i386 protected mode?
10:30 < kd> My last project in C was a cache simulator for a computer architecture course.
10:30 < TMemo> Great.
10:30 < kd> Well, not at the low level.
10:30 < TMemo> Oh.
10:30 < TMemo> You should learn it.
10:30 < kd> What about protected mode? Just flat memory?
10:31 < kd> (That makes it easier than real mode)
10:31 < TMemo> Yes.
10:31 < TMemo> Do you have knowledge of Operating sytem kernel programming?
10:31 < kd> No.
10:31 < TMemo> :(
10:31 < kd> Do you want my resume?
10:31 < kd> I'd like to know where it is going, though.
10:31 < TMemo> I wish I could find someone that DID :(
10:32 < TMemo> Right now, it's mostly MS stuff
10:32 < kd> like, does your organization have a webpage?
10:32 < TMemo> But in teh entertainment market, Linux is gaining ground
10:32 < TMemo> Not yet, (server isssues)
10:32 < kd> Oh.
10:33 < kd> No offense, but I don't like dropping off my resume in weird places :)
10:33 < kd> IRC is one of them. :)
10:33 < TMemo> Do you program for macintosh AND Windows?
10:33 < kd> Neither, usually.
10:33 < TMemo> kd: np ;)
10:33 < TMemo> Oh, okay.
10:33 < kd> Most of my software has been for class, and that's been generic ANSI C / Java VM or for unixy stuff
10:34 < kd> the simulator was in ANSI C.
10:34 < TMemo> Nice.
10:34 < TMemo> Well, I guess I'll be writing the operating system kernel and HTML parser on my own :\
10:34 < kd> A long time ago I did MacOS in the 7.x days
10:35 < barry> why not use the bult in html renderer
10:35 < TMemo> :D
10:35 < chi-no> cheat, use ie
10:35 < TMemo> LOL
10:35 < TMemo> I use to do that
10:35 < TMemo> A silly IE control ;)
10:35 < TMemo> I'm making my own :D
10:35 < chi-no> ocx rox
10:35 < TMemo> It supports simple HTML and some Java script
10:36 < chi-no> I wrote one once..
10:36 < chi-no> it was smart enough tp show smart and italics
10:36 < chi-no> er.. bold
10:36 < chi-no> and italics
10:36 < chi-no> :-)
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10:37 < kd> TMemo, if you get your site up, let me know - I'm not actually on the market until August.
10:37 < kd> or rather, I am not available to start until mid/late August
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10:40 < chi-no> project review time..
10:41 < chi-no> kd, you don't really wanna become a programmer
10:41 < barry> heh
10:41  * chi-no nudges barry
10:41 < chi-no> what's the heh for eh?
10:42 < chi-no> kd, gotta admit tho, programming is rather philosophical..
10:42 < chi-no> thos we keep lousy hours
10:42 < kd> chi-no: I'd rather program for a few months than do nothing.
10:43 < chi-no> or maybe it's cos we keep lousy hours that it's philosphical
10:43 < kd> And yes, there are philosophical questions raised by programming.
10:43 < barry> id rather be on a beach with naked hotties 
10:43 < kd> (Some are even discussed obliquely in my current thesis.)
10:44 < chi-no> you could write a book
10:44 < kd> I am working on one.
10:44 < chi-no> modeled after jonathan livingston seagull
10:44 < kd> But that's hard to support oneself on.
10:44 < chi-no> abot programming
10:44 < chi-no> oh wait, that's already been done, the zen of c++
10:45 < kd> That's part of the next step of the project that the thesis is part of.
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10:45 < chi-no> gawd, kd, I take that back, you already sound like a progammer
10:46 < chi-no> :-)
10:46 < kd> It *is* something I've done a lot of as part of my education.
10:46 < kd> (And done a lot of on my own, too, for that matter)
10:46 < chi-no> no.. I meant.."That's part of the next step of the project that the thesis is part of."
10:47 < chi-no> and then goto subroutine addMoreParts()
10:47 < kd> its not a subroutine, its a thread :)
10:47 < chi-no> ah.. ok
10:48 < chi-no> shows you how much I know about programming.. :-)
10:48 < kd> I just like concurrency :)
10:48 < kd> And the braid metaphor that I learned from the work of Doug Hofstadter.
10:49 < chi-no> braids, threads..
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10:49 < chi-no> you sounds like you are weaving
10:49 < kd> Yes.
10:49 < chi-no> ok, time to get dressed
10:49 < kd> One of my grandmothers was a weaver.
10:50 < chi-no> brb
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10:58 < chi-no> man.. I am off the wall when I am lacking sleep
10:59 < kd> is THAT your excuse? :)
10:59  * chi-no just babbled for 2 mins to one of the client's vps
11:00 < chi-no> yah kd
11:00 < chi-no> I just got done putting in 210 hrs in roughly two weeks
11:00 < chi-no> not much time for sleep
11:00 < chi-no> and you want to be a programmer
11:00 < chi-no> :-)
11:00 < kd> oh
11:01 < kd> I do sometimes keep odd hours
11:01 < chi-no> haha
11:01 < kd> I've sometimes gotten writing or reading on something important and suddenly looked at the clock and found it was 1 am or something and I hadn't eaten dinner
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11:02 < UncleAndy> how can I uninstall Office X? We had two copies with the same SN, and so bought another, and now when we installed the second, it's still reporting a serial conflict 'cause of remnants of the original i think.
11:09 < barry> if thers no uninstler trash anything that relates to it (in prefs etc)
11:10 < UncleAndy> guess i'm missing something...
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11:11 < shagoth> hey all.
11:12 < Zaren> heya shaggy
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11:27  * kd wishes he could use diff on his thesis
11:39 < kd> hm, an article on the kava toxicity stuff
11:47 < Lint> *yawan*
11:49 < CuriosWrk> http://www.bigrig.org/photos/kawasaki_er5.jpeg
11:49 < CuriosWrk> :(
11:50 < kd> ?
11:55 < Zaren> well, for starters, it's a Kawasaki...
11:55 < kd> Is that a problem?
11:59 < CuriosWrk> kd: The problem is I don't get my license plate until tomorrow
11:59 < CuriosWrk> :(
11:59 < kd> Oh.
11:59 < Lint> draw one in photoshop
11:59 < CuriosWrk> heh
12:02 < barry> get a piece of metal and bang one out 
12:05 < CuriosWrk> how do I bang out the right colors and the annoying vienna shield?
12:05 < barry> lil touchup paint
12:05 < CuriosWrk> somehow, waiting until tomorrow seems easier
12:06 < CuriosWrk> except I'd really like to be out riding right about now
12:06 < barry> borrow soeone elses :)
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12:07 < CuriosWrk> heh
12:07 < CuriosWrk> there's a though
12:07 < CuriosWrk> thought
12:07 < CuriosWrk> my old Texas plates are about the right size ;)
12:07 < CuriosWrk> (not quite, but close)
12:12 < kyuss_> one million songs! <pinky to mouth>
12:12 < kd> a lot of music, that
12:13 < barry> will it keep up
12:13 < kd> we'll see ...
12:13 < kyuss_> i doubt it
12:13 < barry> i think their bigest mistake was not having windows version ready
12:14 < kyuss_> they need better artwork
12:14 < Zaren> wonder what the sales count will look like when the windows version comes out
12:14 < barry> by year end, someone else will fill that void
12:14 < kyuss_> i want complete liner notes so i can see credits
12:14 < barry> i wonder how well accepted windows itunes will be heh
12:14 < Zaren> liner notes would bve nice
12:14 < barry> and one click to buy the actual cd would be nice
12:17 < Rodeo> re
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12:20 < Plunge> New York New York has internet connection! :-)
12:20 < doubting_> too late
12:20 < Lint> plunge huh?
12:21 < doubting_> you know Dell and others are rushing to minimize Apple's marketshare of portable music
12:21 < Plunge> Lint: I'm in Vegas at the above hotel. Was told by some here they don't have internet service, they were wrong.
12:21 < Lint> oh, NYNY is a hotel
12:21 < Plunge> Yes
12:21 < Lint> which is a bit confusing for those of us actually in NY,NY
12:21 < Plunge> heh
12:23 < Plunge> Welp, I guess I should get suited up and off to get some work done. later
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12:25 < kyuss_> http://www.woz.org/seg/images/SEGstory_01b.jpg
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12:32 < kd> hm
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12:41  * kd retools thesis parts
12:49 < Zaren> ooh, michnet dialup
12:51 < kd> a bit late for that, no?
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12:51 < Zaren> hm, yeah, I guess
12:51 < Zaren> but I just got back from lunch :)
12:51 < kd> oh ...
12:57 < Zaren> oi... http://www.fingerweights.com/
13:00 < kd> there's a likely fraudulent product ...
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13:13 < Neil22> I'm having some trouble with my base station....anyone know about these things?
13:14 < Nelluk> if you provide more details someone may help
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13:16 < Neil22> OK, my computer doesen't find the base station and the base station indicator lights keep tuning on and off until the left light becomes steady red (it's a graphite base station by the way)
13:17 < Neil22> so, any ideas?
13:18 < confucius> sounds like it's failing the startup self test
13:18 < Neil22> So what should i do?
13:19 < barry> its broken
13:19 < barry> this a grafine one?
13:19 < confucius> the resistor probably blew
13:19 < confucius> you can try calling apple and attempting to get a replacement
13:19 < Neil22> Yes, graphite
13:19 < Neil22> Oh shit
13:20 < Neil22> So it's not softwere?
13:20 < confucius> probably not
13:20 < confucius> but you can try that too if you want
13:20 < confucius> do a reset
13:20 < Neil22> a har reset?
13:20 < Neil22> sorry, hard?
13:20 < confucius> forgot how to do a hard reset though
13:20 < barry> capacitor go boom. call apple.
13:21 < confucius> oh right it was a cap, not a resistor
13:21 < confucius> uh, one of those electric thingies
13:21 < confucius> :)
13:21 < Neil22> I'm not in the states at the time, is there a NON-1800 nunmber for apple?
13:22 < barry> 408 eh, xxx-1010
13:22 < barry> shit whats cupertinos exchange
13:22 < barry> 9 sumthin
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13:23 < confucius> was it 988?
13:23 < confucius> no wait that's sunnyvale I think
13:23 < barry> duno
13:23 < barry> heh
13:23 < barry> i wna say 976 but that aint it
13:23 < confucius> that's apple porn support
13:23 < barry> heh
13:23 < barry> the iphoto porno store!
13:24 < kd> 974 is listed in a press release I found
13:24 < barry> 974 sounds right
13:24 < kd> for several #s
13:24 < barry> might be 973
13:25 < kd> all the ones on this Apple Press Info page are 974, for what that's worth
13:26 < kd> I suppose it could be different for different depts though
13:26 < Zaren> hmm, The Sims 2
13:27 < kd> hm, free food
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13:28 < BitParity> yo
13:28 < BitParity> so is this a mac help desk
13:28 < barry> no
13:28 < BitParity> ah.  well then, where is it
13:28 < sampo> this is a genius bar
13:28 < barry> down the hall 2nd door on the right. ask for mario
13:29 < BitParity> i was just there, they sent me here
13:29 < confucius> help desk?
13:29 < barry> tell them irving sent you
13:29 < BitParity> ah, k
13:30 < BitParity> in the meantime, hey is there a way to NOT let a powerbook go to sleep when you put the screen down
13:30 < barry> no
13:30 < barry> well
13:30 < barry> you could open it up and snip the wires goin to the switch
13:31 < barry> but that would be stupid
13:31 < confucius> you can't prevent it from sleeping.  you could unsleep it while it's closed if you have an external monitor and keyboard attached
13:31 < barry> thats not really a good idea tho cuz of heat
13:31 < BitParity> what about an external mouse
13:31 < barry> plug one in
13:31 < Zaren> what about it
13:32 < BitParity> would that be enough to wake it
13:32 < Zaren> that's not going to stop it from sleeping
13:32 < confucius> why do you need to run it while the screen is down?
13:32 < barry> any usb device wakes
13:32 < confucius> you need a monitor connected I think, right?
13:32 < BitParity> i wanna use it as a glorified mp3 player in my car
13:32 < barry> ipod
13:32 < BitParity> doesn't seem as safe with the screen up
13:32 < Zaren> the thing is built to sleep when it's closed
13:32 < BitParity> yees, i want to turn my laptop into a glorified ipode
13:32 < Zaren> you don't want it to sleep, don't close it
13:32 < confucius> hrm.
13:33 < Zaren> otherwise, it'll melt
13:33  * Zaren has evidence of that
13:33 < BitParity> hmm
13:33 < confucius> how will you change tracks?
13:33 < BitParity> well
13:33 < BitParity> basically i just want the laptop to run while closed
13:33 < BitParity> the real applications for it i'm sure will come to me later
13:34 < confucius> what kinda laptop?
13:34 <@xyzzy> it doesn't seem safe with all that heat buildup
13:34 < BitParity> 12" powerbook
13:34 < barry> heh
13:34 < Zaren> it cannot run when closed, as this means you're blocking the venilation system
13:34 < BitParity> i'll buy some custom thermal tiling from nasa to put inbetween the screen and the keyboard
13:34 < barry> that thing coooks dinner
13:35 < Zaren> or you could just disconnect the screen
13:35 < BitParity> so the reason for keeping it open w hile runjning
13:35 < sampo> george foreman powerbook?
13:35 < BitParity> is for ventilation
13:35 < confucius> no just submerge it in a chemical cooling bath
13:35 < Zaren> basically
13:35 < barry> well the other reason is to see the screen
13:35 < BitParity> learn something new everyday
13:35 < sampo> hah
13:35 < Zaren> yeah, that too
13:35 < barry> i guess i'm weird that way i like to see the screen
13:35 < barry> not only that
13:35 < confucius> bitparity: run it for a while and you'll feel how much heat radiates from the keyboard
13:35 < BitParity> i just think it looks cool to be able to run a lappie while closed down
13:36 < barry> my fingers dont fitinto the thing when closed
13:36 < Zaren> I had my powerbook ALMOST closed once, so it kept running...  internal temperature got over 300 degrees
13:36 < kd> uh 
13:36 < Zaren> um, dude...  it's going to be in your car - who gives a rat's ass waht it looks like?
13:36 < barry> has to impress the chix
13:36 <@xyzzy> i can't fathom a situation in which running a "lappie" would be considered cool
13:36 < BitParity> never underestimate the value of looking cool
13:37 < kd> so what is all of this based on, WWTFD?
13:37 < Zaren> I stopped estimating it completely when I left high school
13:39 < BitParity> thanks anyways.  I'm gonna go fry some spam for breakfast
13:39 < barry> dont tell him
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13:49 < Zaren> hmm... I can order macromedia studio from school for $10 less than from MM themselves...  but then I get to pay $12 in sales tax :p
13:50 < barry> heh ok
13:50 < barry> someone wwna tell me why elton john is listed under soundtracks??
13:50  * TMemo rules the land of the obsolete
13:50 < Zaren> Lion King
13:51 < Venkman> that's the circle of life
13:51 < barry> yea fine, but ALL his albums?
13:51 < barry> lionking isnt even listed heh
13:51 < Zaren> I'm sure lots of his songs have been in lots of soundtracks
13:51 < barry> even friends isn't listed
13:51  * TMemo listens to Britney Spears
13:51 <@eap> hi
13:51 < barry> sure, but not caribou, honky chatau, cptain fantastic etc
13:52  * TMemo owns an LC with 2 MB of RAM, 16 MHz, a 16-bit data bus and System 6
13:52 < TMemo> And a 40 MB HDD :D
13:52 < barry> kewl
13:52 < TMemo> Yeah
13:52 < kd> we're all so proud of you :)
13:52 < barry> kynyrd skynyrd is under soundtracks too heh
13:53 < TMemo> My newest Mac has 75 MB of RAM, a 500 MB HDD, Mac OS 8.5 and 120 MHz PowerPC 603e (It's a Power Macintosh 5400 from 1996)
13:54 < kd> woo
13:54 < TMemo> I got it for only 1 USD :D
13:54 < TMemo> (The PSU needed soldering)
13:54 < barry> heh
13:54 < kd> fonky
13:54 < barry> i like how 'various artists' shows up 4 times. guess they are a pretty popular band
13:55 < TMemo> :D
13:55 < TMemo> Do you have Britney Spears on it? :D
13:55 < kd> I wouldn't be surprised if there IS a band called "Various Artists"
13:55 < barry> not under soundtracks
13:55 < TMemo> I'll buy anything with her voice/face on it :D
13:55 < barry> there must be - they have a lot of songs :)
13:55 < TMemo> (Besides tabloids, those are evil)
13:55  * kd knows a movie theater in the greater Vancouver area called "A Theater Near You"
13:56 < barry> thers a sw company 'my software company'
13:56 < kd> and I ran for students council in HS under "None of the Above"
13:56 < barry> abba is under world? ooookay
13:56 < kd> they're Swedish, aren't they?
13:56 < TMemo> LOL
13:57 < barry> yea, and a rock/pop band
13:57 < barry> world is more ethnic music
13:57 < barry> like, say *in* swedish
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13:57 < kd> Well, it works for Engima, then ... :)
13:57 < TMemo> I promised FREE Briteny Spears CDs and that Britney Spears would be the only music played at the dances if I was elected to teh student council :D
13:57 <@tris> http://redirx.com/?goa
13:57 < barry> if i went into tower i'd not find abba in world
13:57 < TMemo> No one voted for me :(
13:57 < barry> kewl
13:58 < barry> jenifer lopez is in world music too heh
13:58 < TMemo> Why didn't they vote for me?
13:58 < TMemo> They called me "Bitchney fan: :(
13:58 < TMemo> *"
13:58 < kd> Nobody likes voting for one track candidates.
13:58 < TMemo> :D
13:59 < barry> oh
13:59 < barry> theres various artists. 
13:59 < kd> We stopped the unstoppable, and that didn't work for us.
13:59 < barry> pretty versatile band. soundtracks *and* world music!
13:59 < TMemo> I also promised to donate profits of teh dance to the Briteny Spears foundation :D
13:59 < barry> i bet they do rap too heh
13:59 < TMemo> *the
13:59 < kd> bbl. meeting.
14:00 < TMemo> Where I am, everyone except for me hates Britney Spears :(
14:00 < TMemo> What is wrong with them?
14:00 < barry> this is why multiple libraries are *useful*. gener/artist/album breaks down a lot if its not rock/pop music
14:01 < TMemo> Well, I only wanted to have BRITNEY SPEARS play at the school dances
14:01 < TMemo> I even offered to use my mom's DJ system :D
14:01 < TMemo> They all voted for Brandon :(
14:02 < TMemo> He was goign to use the profits to help the poor.
14:02 < TMemo> I lost the election because absolutely no one voted for me :(
14:03 < TMemo> I voted for myself :D
14:03 < Zaren> ge3e
14:03 < confucius> I kinda wish id3 supported multiple genres
14:03 < TMemo> :D
14:03 < barry> donna summer is 'holiday' music????
14:03 < barry> did they just toss dice to sort these?
14:03 < TMemo> How about only Britney Spears music!
14:04  * TMemo is a HUGE fan of Britney Spears
14:06 < barry> oh here's a band i never heard of. 'musical cast recording'
14:06 < barry> heh
14:07  * racer-x returns from the podiatrist all footbound
14:09  * kd wonders what Robin's choir would appear under if they were available there
14:09 < barry> does it matter?
14:09 < barry> thers no rhyme or reason to these classifications
14:09 < kd> I'm curious.
14:09 < barry> pick a random number. its prob the one heh
14:10 < kd> Well, if they classified her group as "rap", that would be wrong.
14:10 < barry> yea well
14:10 -!- Okra [~mlowry@as7-2-1.ulr.s.bonet.se] has joined #macintosh
14:10 < kd> There are nevertheless a few categories that could be considered correct
14:10 < barry> donna summer singing 'love to love you baby' is hardly 'holiday' music
14:10  * racer-x pigeonholes you, incorrectly
14:10 < barry> unless orgasms are now considered hlidays
14:10 < barry> heh
14:10 < kd> they are for me :)
14:10 < barry> heh
14:10 < barry> youtake a day off from work?
14:11 <@racer-x> that does it.  a day off with pay for every orgasm?  im moving to canada!
14:12 < barry> heh me too
14:12 < kd> Who says anything about a *day*? It only lasts a few minutes. :)
14:12 <@racer-x> holiDAY
14:12 < barry> holiDAY
14:12 < barry> heh
14:12  * racer-x slaps you around a bit with a large trout
14:13 < barry> and since when is it a few minutes?
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14:13 < kd> that's a horrible argument from etymology
14:14 < kd> rules out week length holidays :)
14:14 < pilgrim`> Norse week>
14:14 < pilgrim`> ?
14:14 < pilgrim`>  5 days
14:14 < barry> nsync is under holiday too heh
14:14 < pilgrim`> Tuesday Wednesday Thursdat Friday Washday
14:14 < pilgrim`> I am not making that up
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14:15 < pilgrim`> anyone here a wiz at networks?
14:15 < barry> heh
14:15 <@racer-x> ease on down ease on down ease on down the road
14:15 <@racer-x> cmon and
14:15 <@racer-x> ease on down ease on down ease on down the road
14:15 <@racer-x> the wiz!
14:15 < doubting_> ("wiz")
14:16 < barry> 'the streak' is in holiday music
14:16 < barry> this is just wy too fucked up
14:16 <@racer-x> for holiday public nudity
14:16 < barry> yea i spose
14:16 <@racer-x> music to run naked by
14:16 < pilgrim`> I have 2 Macs on 10.2.5, when I connect to server on 1 (btw, mixed net of Macs PCs) on one I get * Local and Workgroup.  On the other, I just get a list of boxes and ips mixed
14:16 <@racer-x> shake shake shake
14:16 <@racer-x> shake shake shake
14:17 <@racer-x> shake your booty
14:17 <@racer-x> shake your booty
14:17 < barry> thers that band vraious artists agin
14:17 < barry> damn they are goo
14:18 < pilgrim`> oops  wrong box
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14:22 < munching> so where do i find the files
14:23 < Zaren> on your haard drive?
14:24 < munching> I am looking to download divx files, I was told I could get them here, can u help
14:24 < Zaren> no
14:24 < munching> u can't help
14:25 < Zaren> why don't you go download them from a web site
14:25 -!- Maboshi [Maboshi@d44046ed.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 195 seconds]
14:25 < pilgrim`> Preilinger Collection on www.archive.org has a vast number of divx films
14:26 < munching> because I was told here was good
14:26 -!- Maboshi [Maboshi@d4404613.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #macintosh
14:26 < Zaren> someone told you to come to #macintosh on EFNet irc and ask to download divx files?
14:26 < Spam_Man> #bearcave is the best place to get divx files
14:27 <@racer-x> #divx2,000
14:27 < barry> spamman makes porno divx files
14:27 < Spam_Man> you betcha
14:27 < Spam_Man> barry makes furry porn divx files.
14:28 < munching> no there getting them themsleves from here and told me to check it out
14:28 < munching> #bearcave
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14:28 < munching> whats that
14:29 < munching> so is anybody going to help me
14:29 < Spam_Man> you just got 2 channel suggestions.
14:29 < munching> what do you mean by channels
14:29 < Zaren> doh
14:29 < munching> what do i do with them
14:29 < Spam_Man> you type /join #bearcave
14:29 < Zaren> you don't know the first thing about irc, do you
14:29 < Spam_Man> you dont belong on the irc.
14:30 < munching> so where do i find the files once I have got there
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14:31 -!- mode/#Macintosh [+o Spam_Man] by SacMerv
14:31 -!- mode/#Macintosh [+b munching!*@*] by Spam_Man
14:31 <@Spam_Man> incase he comes back :)
14:32 < TMemo> :D
14:32 < TMemo> He IS a moron ;)
14:35 < pilgrim`> Dad's computer was left on
14:36 < pilgrim`> the divx's I suggested are not what he had in mind:)
14:36 < pilgrim`> Prilenger collection is all those healt and educational films they have shown in classes since the 1940s
14:37 < pilgrim`> thousands of them
14:37 < Zaren> heheh
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14:39 < kd> those could be historically valuable
14:41 -!- randyd [1000@vport77.austin.tx.dialup.totalaccess.net] has quit [Leaving]
14:41  * kd has increased his appreciation of historians recently
14:42  * TMemo is a historian
14:42  * TMemo collects REALLY old computers, thus he is ruler of the obsolete :D
14:42 < kd> Do you write about the history of computing?
14:42 < TMemo> I have the Apple I :D
14:43 < TMemo> Yes.
14:43 -!- SteveDall [~hoag@SMC001-3.cpe.dectr.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds]
14:43 < TMemo> My Apple I has 4 MHz :D
14:43 < barry> you have an apple i?
14:43 < kd> that seems excessive :)
14:43 < kd> My recent work is half historical in character.
14:44 < TMemo> Yeah
14:44 < barry> i dont think it was 4mhz
14:44 < kd> It wasn't out of the box.
14:44 < TMemo> maybe 3
14:44 < TMemo> I know
14:44 < kd> Even the Apple IIgs was 2.8
14:44 < TMemo> They ddin't sell the case
14:44 < barry> eh, more like 1
14:44 < TMemo> Oh yeah, that's right ;)
14:44 < barry> heh
14:44 < barry> suure you ahve a apple i
14:45 < TMemo> It's in my basement :(
14:45 < TMemo> I have the Apple II GS also
14:45 < barry> go post a jpg
14:45 < TMemo> I DO have an Apple I
14:45 < TMemo> VERY old, and it was sold without a case
14:45 < kd> anyway, the Apple I came out 40 years after the period I am concerned with
14:45 < TMemo> Yes.
14:45 < barry> 1976ish
14:46 < TMemo> I have an Intel Intelica :D
14:46 < TMemo> (I think that's what it's called)
14:46 < TMemo> It's like a 1970's sytem
14:46 < TMemo> I have all kinds of systems in my basement and storage room :\
14:46 < kd> do you have a Turing machine?
14:47 < TMemo> No :(
14:47 < TMemo> I have a computer that I made when I was 9 :D
14:47 < kd> (If you said yes, I'd know you were bullshitting)
14:47 < TMemo> It has 4 logic gates :D
14:47 <@irving> lah lah lah
14:47 < TMemo> kd: Of course ;)
14:47 <@irving> fark
14:47 -!- irving [irving@spielberg.grossman.com] has quit [grumble grumble]
14:47 < TMemo> ROFL
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14:48 < kd> a Turing machine is often misdescribed, too
14:48 < TMemo> I have one of the last Compaqs made before HP took over :D
14:48 < jadin_> now theres something to be proud of
14:48 -!- You're now known as jadin
14:48 < TMemo> COmpaq Presario, 1.1 GHz, Windows XP Home, USB keybaord, 256 MB of RAM :D
14:49 < TMemo> It's got a 66 MHz front side bus :D
14:49 < TMemo> I bit slow :\
14:49 < TMemo> *It;s
14:50 < kd> Turing machines don't have a bus :)
14:51 < TMemo> No data bus?
14:51 < TMemo> No control bus?
14:51 < TMemo> No acumilator?
14:51 < kd> read the paper that Turing wrote.
14:51 < kd> a Turing machine is a *human* with an unbounded sheet of paper
14:51 < kd> (and a table of rules)
14:52 < kd> that's why I said I'd disbelieve you if you said you had one.
14:54 < barry> im a bit skeptical on the apple i
14:54 < TMemo> Ssytems I have hooked up: Macintosh LCII 8 MB RAM, System 6, 80 MB HD, Macintosh LC 3 MB RAM, System 6, 40 MB HDD, IBM Aptiva with 133 MHz, 32 MB RAM, Win 98, Macintosh 512k 8 MHz Power Mac 5400 120 MHz PowerPC 603e, 75 MB RAM, Mac OS 8.5, mac Performa with 68k 33 MHz processor and about 24 MB of RAM, 486 I built when I was a little kid with Win 3.1 and 16 MB RAM and 66 MHz, 50 MHz Zenith laptop color screen, no FPU
14:54 -!- TMemo was kicked from #Macintosh by PoundMac [no CAPS please]
14:54 < jadin> heh.
14:54 -!- TMemo [pcwizard@216-220-249-190.midmaine.com] has joined #Macintosh
14:54 < jadin> i think the important question is: who cares
14:54 < TMemo> Sorry :(
14:54 < barry> well if he wants to sell it cheap :)
14:55 < TMemo> Well, I kept it in one paragraph.
14:56 < TMemo> I also have: 133 MHz IBM clone with WIn 95,  a 700 MHz AMD, and a buch of Pentium 1's I have networked with no CRT's
14:56 < TMemo> I control them through my remote monitoring/controlling app I made in C++ :D
14:56 < TMemo> This si what I want to get: Broken down iMac for cheap so I can fix it :D
14:56 < TMemo> *is
14:57 < kd> the LC III is *not* running 6
14:57 < TMemo> No, LCII
14:57 < kd> Hm, I am not sure that's possible either.
14:57 < TMemo> I don't believe I said LCIII? :O
14:57 < TMemo> It is
14:57 < TMemo> I think it's 60.4
14:57 < TMemo> Let me see:
14:58 < TMemo> *6.04
14:58 < TMemo> Booting up...
14:58 < kd> An original LC will do 6.05/6.07
14:58 < kd> I'm not sure an LC II can
14:59 < TMemo> Ssytem 6.1.8
14:59 < TMemo> *Ssytem
14:59 < TMemo> *System
14:59 < barry> no such system
14:59 < TMemo> Finder: 6.0.8
14:59 < jadin> what planet is this nut from
14:59 < jadin> what is this * bullshit
14:59 < jadin> and why do we care what computers he claims to have
14:59 < TMemo> 6.1.8
15:00 < TMemo> It says 6.1.8 :S
15:00 < TMemo> Larry, John, Steve and Bruce
15:00 < TMemo> (C) Apple Computer, Inc. 1983-90
15:01 < TMemo> Seems to work fine,I downloaded off Apple's site
15:01 < TMemo> For some reason, it calls it's self 6.1.8
15:01 < TMemo> But I think I downloaded 6.04 :S
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15:02 < TMemo> NOT bullsh**
15:02 < CuriosCat> Howdy
15:02 < TMemo> Hey
15:02 < Nelluk> make a screenshot
15:02 < TMemo> Jadin: I RAELLY have these systems.
15:02 < jadin> but who cares?
15:02 < TMemo> How?
15:03 < barry> suure you do
15:03 < TMemo> Okay fine.
15:03 < barry> post a jopg of the apple i
15:03 < TMemo> If I were lying, I would say I had a brandnew Powermac G4
15:03 < barry> describe the apple i 
15:03 < barry> esactly
15:03 < TMemo> It's jsut a motherboard in my basement somewhere
15:04 < barry> heh
15:04 < TMemo> I have NO IDEA what the specs are.
15:04 < csmoll> hm. i think there's a problem with my iPod.
15:04 < TMemo> I am not even sure it works
15:04 < TMemo> But I do ihave two old Apples that DO work:
15:04 < csmoll> it's been in the dock most of the time since I got it.. and when i take it off and use it it doesn't indicate a full charge
15:04 < barry> go take a pic of it with a piece of paper in the pic that says #macintosh
15:04 < barry> return it
15:05 < jadin> and naked girls with barry written on their tits
15:05 < csmoll> heh
15:05 < Nelluk>  interesting, over half of the one million songs that apple has sold in the first week were as part of an album
15:05 < barry> how did you aquire this apple i?
15:05 < barry> shush. those pics aren't sposed to be posted
15:05 < jadin> his daddy bought all this shit for him
15:05 < barry> i stil wana know why love to love you baby is holiday music
15:05 < barry> celebrate the orgasm!
15:06 < csmoll> ohhhhhhh
15:06 < csmoll> 'kay.
15:06 < TMemo> Hi
15:06 < barry> heh
15:06 < TMemo> Okay...
15:06 < TMemo> Apple IIc
15:06 < barry> cory must not know that song
15:06 < TMemo> Apple IIGS
15:07 < TMemo> Teh Apple IIc has a strange power plug input thing that I can't find a power supply foranywhere :(
15:07 < TMemo> It has one of those 5.5 inch foloppy drives
15:07 < TMemo> *5 1/2
15:07 < barry> kewl
15:07 < TMemo> *floppy
15:07 < kd> try 5.25"
15:07 < barry> too bad everyone else used 5 1/4"
15:08 < TMemo> Where do I get a power supply for it?
15:08 < barry> you make one up
15:08 < TMemo> Oh, tehn that was what it used
15:08 < kd> uselessdeadelectronics.com
15:08 < barry> like everythign else
15:08 < barry> heh
15:08 < TMemo> I for got :\
15:08 < barry> so wheredja get the apple i
15:08 < TMemo> Thrift store
15:08 < barry> yea right
15:08 < TMemo> It was ina junk bin
15:08 < barry> yea riiiight
15:08 < TMemo> It's called KanAset
15:09 < barry> uhhuh
15:09 < TMemo> *KenASet
15:09 < kd> where is it?
15:09 < TMemo> Waterville, Maine, USA
15:09 < jadin> *retard
15:09 < barry> can i drive up and see it?
15:09 < barry> heh
15:10 < TMemo> Sure
15:10 < TMemo> I have a 80/40 button on my Apple IIc
15:10 < barry> and a stupid button on your back
15:10 < csmoll> Hmm. I didn't change my calendar to May yet.
15:11 < TMemo> barry: Come on :(
15:11 < kd> the 80/40 switch was very weird
15:11 < barry> i'll drive up if yu will sell me the apple i
15:11 < TMemo> Yes
15:11 < TMemo> What does it do?
15:12 < TMemo> barry: Not for sale ;)
15:12 < barry> switches between 80 and 40
15:12 < TMemo> Oh
15:12 < barry> hence the name 80/40 swithch
15:12 < TMemo> For what?
15:12 < barry> everything is for sale
15:12 < jadin> columns, tardy
15:12 < kd> Software programmed appropriately reads it to determine text screen settings
15:12 < TMemo> Not HERE
15:12 < TMemo> I KEEP my stuff ;)
15:12 < barry> if someone offered you 5 million bux you'd sell it
15:13 < TMemo> Maybe
15:13 < jadin> oh but for that youd buy that signed macworld right barry
15:13 < jadin> heh
15:13 < TMemo> Noone will do that ;)
15:13 < barry> you prob paid 5 bux at the trift store. i'll pay you 10. heh
15:13 < kd> 100% profit. Not bad :)
15:13 < barry> doubel your money!
15:13 < TMemo> I paid 1 USD
15:13 < barry> ok 10x yer money
15:13 < barry> where else can you get that?
15:13 < TMemo> ok
15:13 < TMemo> ROFL
15:13 < jadin> hs allowance
15:14 < barry> heh
15:14 < TMemo> :D
15:14 < csmoll> hmm. http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/the_italian_job/
15:14 < TMemo> I'm not an idiot: I do CRT and computer repairs, as well as Automotive
15:14 < barry> yes you are
15:14 < barry> and besides
15:14 < TMemo> I'm almost 12 :D
15:14 < barry> automove repair jockeys aren't teribly smart
15:14 < CuriosCat> TMemo: I think the flyback transformer in my car is broken
15:14 < CuriosCat> can you take a look at it?
15:14 < jadin> heh really we couldnt tell
15:15 < CuriosCat> I think the problem might be a broken flux capacitor
15:15 < jadin> normal people dont come into irc channels and list off their belongings
15:15 < TMemo> Well, I'm not a PRO at automotive
15:15 < barry> or at lying either
15:15 < TMemo> I jsut know my way around ;)
15:15 < barry> heh
15:15  * Spam_Man replaces CuriosCats flyback with a 60KV fly back from a TV
15:15 < TMemo> I'm more proficient in my computer skills.
15:15 < jadin> not really
15:16 < TMemo> SPam_Man: Cool :D
15:16 < TMemo> jadin: Maybe you think "not really"
15:16 < CuriosCat> Spam: My dashboard is really bright now.
15:16 < jadin> sure do!
15:16 < TMemo> You haven't tried the software I've written in Borland C++ Builder 6 :D
15:16 < CuriosCat> "Hello world!"
15:16 < TMemo> LOL
15:17 < barry> why would i want to try the wsoftware you wrote
15:17 < TMemo> I ahve written popup stoppers :D
15:17 < jadin> shouldnt you be in school learning to not be a retard?
15:17 < barry> heh
15:17 < barry> they teach that ?
15:17 < TMemo> My Popup Extermaintor checks for teh msctl_statusbar32 calss in IE :D
15:17 <@Spam_Man> i'd like to get a 60KV transformer and make a Jacobs laddre
15:17 < TMemo> In school, they don't teach it
15:17 < TMemo> I learned it from books and trial and error
15:18 < barry> so you plagirize
15:18 < TMemo> No.
15:18 < TMemo> I can write my own code ;)
15:18 < TMemo> No need to steal teh examples ;)
15:18 < TMemo> *the
15:18 < barry> riight
15:19 < TMemo> Yes, RIGHT!
15:19 < jadin> why bother writing a popup blocker when there are hundreds out there, and capable browsers such as phoenix already do it for you
15:19 -!- Venkman [~Venkman@12-237-46-99.client.attbi.com] has quit [Client exiting]
15:19 < TMemo> For fun
15:19 < TMemo> I have nothing better.
15:19 < jadin> you must be a barrel of fun to hang out with
15:20 < TMemo> (to do)
15:20 < TMemo> Me poup stopper is FREEWARE :D
15:20 < TMemo> *popup
15:20 < TMemo> Please excuse my typographical erros (Backspace is the msot freqently used key on my keyboard)
15:20 < barry> what about you r annoyance stopper?
15:20 < TMemo> *errors
15:20 < jadin> this is irc
15:20 < jadin> no on gives a shit about typos
15:20 < TMemo> that and teh asterisk ;)
15:20 < barry> heh
15:21 < TMemo> Okay, great.
15:21 < jadin> does your daddy belong to NAMBLA?
15:22 < TMemo> No.
15:22 < TMemo> My dad lives a long ways away from me
15:22 < ryan0> court ordered
15:22 < TMemo> he si s drunk, and therefore is too dangerous to live with my mom and me
15:22 < TMemo> ryan0: My mom divourced him
15:23 < jadin> boy this gets better by the minute
15:25 <@Spam_Man> wait, is this lint?
15:25 < TMemo> I'm waiting for my mom to come back from Wal-Mart, she is helping me buy the Windows XP Pro upgrade for my Compaq PC
15:25 < barry> yea sure
15:26 < TMemo> REALLY
15:26 < barry> she prob washes the toilets there
15:26 < TMemo> I isntalled the FREE WMP 9 Upgrade :(
15:26 <@Spam_Man> heh, she abandoned you
15:26 <@Spam_Man> never comming back
15:26 < TMemo> I was better off with my Windows Media Player 8 that came with XP Home :\
15:26 < TMemo> SPam_Man: Your teh man
15:26 < barry> you were better off with a brick thrown at your head
15:27 < TMemo> Teh Windows XP Home Edition came with my PC on an OEM CD
15:27 <@Spam_Man> some typos are ok, A LOT OF TYPOS ARE NOT
15:27 < TMemo> I have paritions with lot sof source code and stuff that I don't wnat to spend hours backing up on my CD drive
15:27 <@Spam_Man> you dont need XP Pro
15:27 < barry> all those apps you wrote
15:27 < TMemo> No, not really
15:28 < TMemo> But I don't know if Microsoft will let you upgrade XP Home to XP Home
15:28 < TMemo> Yup
15:28 < TMemo> Barry: Yes
15:28 <@Spam_Man> what the hell are you talking about?
15:28 <@Spam_Man> all the upgrades for XP are free.
15:28 < TMemo> I downloaded Windows Media Player 8 from teh Microsoft site
15:28 < TMemo> *the
15:29 < TMemo> It messed up my PC
15:29 < barry> and your head
15:29 <@Spam_Man> so reinstall.
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15:29 <@Spam_Man> you dont need to buy it again.
15:29 < TMemo> Only mIRC, MSN Messenger and IE6 are able to access teh Internet
15:29 < TMemo> I can't
15:29 < TMemo> It's on a Cmpaq Recovery CD
15:29 < TMemo> *Compaq
15:29 <@Spam_Man> then use it.
15:29 < TMemo> Can't
15:29 <@Spam_Man> backup and use the recovery cd.
15:29 < TMemo> I will lose all my source code :(
15:29 <@Spam_Man> back it up
15:30 < TMemo> No can do, (CD burner's drivers are a mess)
15:30 < TMemo> I'm jsut going to upgrade to Pro ;)
15:30 < TMemo> Compaq Presario PCs are not TAHT bad, but they start having problesm afet about a year :(
15:30 <@Spam_Man> thats an expensive half assed thing to do. big waste of money.
15:30 < TMemo> And they tend to have motherbaord failures in the beguinning :(
15:31 <@Spam_Man> unless the problems are hardware problems its got nothing to do with them being compaqs
15:31 < TMemo> Spam_Man: I agree
15:31 < TMemo> My speaker's sound connectiosn have had problems, my modem failed, and my power supplu unit failed :(
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15:32 < TMemo> *connections
15:32 < TMemo> *supply
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15:32 < TMemo> I fixed it, works okay. 1.1 GHz Intel Celeron and 256 MB of RAM is not too bad, just a bit slwo starting Borland C++ Builder 6 :\
15:33 < TMemo> slow
15:33 < TMemo> I can expect it would have these problesm after a year: I never turn it off and hardly ever reboot
15:34 <@Spam_Man> you expect us to belive you program and yet you cant type. you must spend the majority of your time debugging syntax errors and other typos.
15:34 < TMemo> I'm good at keeping Windows running for montsh by jsut restarting explorer.exe (Finder for Windows)  ;)
15:34 < TMemo> ILike I said, the backspace is used almost contantly
15:35 < TMemo> Also, I'm typing faster tahn normal because I get nervous in IRC channels
15:35 < TMemo> *than
15:35 < barry> newvous?
15:35 < TMemo> nervous
15:35 < barry> riight
15:35 < TMemo> I'll try slowing down with the typing...
15:36 < TMemo> I write IE Controls, simple macro parserss, image managment programs, system reosurce/CPU monitoring programs, popup stoppers, the like
15:37 < barry> image management? uhhuh
15:37 < TMemo> And some simple stuff like screen savers and artificial intelligence apps
15:37 < TMemo> Image manager
15:37 < barry> yea. artificial inteligence stuff is really quite simple stuff
15:37 <@Spam_Man> iphoto!
15:38 < TMemo> It veiws images and provides thumbnail view.
15:38 < TMemo> *views
15:38 < barry> i've written entirely automated ai apps in 1 line of code
15:38 < TMemo> Oops, there I go again with the typos :\
15:38 <@Spam_Man> barry: pfft. bloat.
15:38 < TMemo> barry; Great
15:38 < Nelluk> removing all line breaks from your source doesn't count
15:38 < TMemo> No ;)
15:38 < barry> well i added comments
15:38 < barry> that atkes up space
15:39 < TMemo> :D
15:39 < TMemo> I add those too.
15:39 <@Spam_Man> TM: do you remove the comments before you compile?
15:39 < TMemo> No
15:39 < barry> yea its prob /* how the hell do i write this */
15:39 < TMemo> No...
15:39 < TMemo> I start out with NO comments
15:39 <@Spam_Man> oh geez, that must make your executeables HUGE!
15:39 < barry> heh
15:40 < barry> you start out with no life either
15:40 < Nelluk> real dudes write comments as you go and don't go back and add them later
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15:40 < TMemo> I sometimes add /* to stop the compiler/linker form "seeing" teh line so I can trouble shoot, or try something else
15:40 < TMemo> WEll, I add them as I go.
15:41 < barry> the linker wont care
15:41 < TMemo> Usually in my mroe complicated apps.
15:41 < TMemo> No.
15:41 < barry> oh those are the ones that span 2 pages?
15:41 < TMemo> I use DJGPP for my DOS apps, and Borland C+* 6
15:42 < barry> dos apps huh
15:42 < TMemo> barry: yes
15:42 < TMemo> My most simple applications are smaller than one page of code
15:42 < barry> yea, helloworld
15:42 < TMemo> Most applications I write span about 3 pages
15:42 < barry> i bet that ai app was 3 pages huh
15:42 < TMemo> I stopped with helloworld AGES ago
15:43 < TMemo> Yes.
15:43 < TMemo> That isn't a very impressive app
15:43 < TMemo> I try to make my applciatiosn as small as possible by "cleaning" the code
15:43 < barry> heh
15:43 < barry> callapple see if they need help
15:43 < TMemo> (Such as using less varibles)
15:44 < CuriosCat> Hrm
15:44 < CuriosCat> 384 lbs
15:44 < CuriosCat> 50HP
15:44 < CuriosCat> I so can't wait until tomorrow.
15:44 < TMemo> Apple's sytem 6 is pretty clean :D
15:44 < TMemo> *system
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15:44 < TMemo> Windows XP and Office XP are bloatware :\
15:45 < TMemo> Well, cya l8r, I'm going to have some PEPSI and get back to coding my CPU monitor :D
15:45 < pilgrim`> System 6.0.8 is the fastest loading opsys ever
15:45 < TMemo> (simple little app witha  cool guage)
15:45 < doubting_> e;338 hax0r
15:45 < TMemo> Yeah
15:46 < TMemo> Pretty fast on my 26 MHz LCII
15:46 < pilgrim`> personally I favor....GS/OS 6.0.1 ;)
15:46 < barry> system 1 off a flopy boots a 12k mac faster than os9 on a g4 dual g4
15:46 < TMemo> *16
15:46 < TMemo> :D
15:46 < TMemo> That's pretty good for a floppy
15:46 < pilgrim`> I have a 128 in a Real Apple toat bagk with all the goodies
15:46 < TMemo> It would be better on an HDD :D
15:46 < pilgrim`> tote
15:46 < doubting_> wow yer an old fart
15:47 < TMemo> I have a 512
15:47 < pilgrim`> I have a 512 too
15:47 < kyuss_> i have one i use for a doorstop
15:47 < TMemo> I resoldered teh horizontal sweep circut
15:47 < doubting_> sorry, I'm losing track.  Now which one of you has the longer penis?
15:47 < TMemo> Mine is an alarm clock ;)
15:47 < barry> i do
15:47 < barry> did you want to see it?
15:47 < TMemo> I'm 11 ;)
15:48 < doubting_> pen != penis
15:48 < kyuss_> its not about length its about girth
15:48 < pilgrim`> I have had at one time or other a 128 512 512k Plus SE Classic Classic II SE/30 Color Classic, a buncha Performas, LCs Mac II IIvx IIx IIvi IIcx IIci..  
15:48  * irving covers the childrens eyes
15:48 < TMemo> barry: Umm, no
15:48 < kyuss_> my mac is fatter than yours
15:48 < TMemo> I have teh FAT MAC :D
15:48 < pilgrim`> but, I bought every one used and the most I ever paid was 5 bucks
15:48 < TMemo> 512k Mac :D
15:48 < irving> yes, virginia, this is what it looks like when geeks fight. remember... and always fear.
15:49 < TMemo> I paid 5 USD for my mac 512k
15:49 < TMemo> Well, gtg
15:49 < pilgrim`> http://www.syndicomm.com/~pilgrimer/pics/junk2.jpg  <--spare parts
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15:50 < pilgrim`> best deal I made though was the 5 bucks I paid for my...Beige G3
15:50 < pilgrim`> somebody had raided all the Dimms, but everything else was there
15:52 < pilgrim`> it had a 300mhz CPU and 6gb drive.  now it  has  2 30gb drives, the original 6  (30s are on a VST card, 100bT card and USB, runs OS X and is a pretty good 2nd Mac
15:52 < pilgrim`> mainly it houses my iTunes
15:53 < Zaren> woo, a Nigerian mail with an Iraq twist
15:53 < kd> what now ...
15:54 < Zaren> "I am Amir Hanssan from somalia and have been in iraq for 6years and was there
15:54 < Zaren> during the war. I discovered a box containing the sum of eighteen million
15:54 < Zaren> dollars during the recent looting from Government offices..."
15:54 < barry> heh
15:54 < kd> delightful
15:55 < barry> and i just happened to want to send it to you
15:58 < Zaren> !?? Is there no "Copy link" option in safari?
15:59 < barry> depends on the link
15:59 < barry> pretty braindead
15:59 < Zaren> mailto link
16:01 < csmoll> My iPod seems to work now. I reset it and it displays the proper battery charge level
16:01 < Nelluk> copying a mailto link via contextual menu works for me..
16:01 < hawkeye> huh? right click on the link & copy to clipboard?
16:02 < Nelluk> im still confounded by my printing problem which no one else seems to experience
16:02 < csmoll> I don't have that option either.
16:02 < csmoll> .. when I right-click a mailto:
16:02 < hawkeye> ah. i see. mailto: links don't do it.
16:02 < hawkeye> ...and a very small bit of digging shows there's a bug about this already.
16:03  * hawkeye wanders off again.
16:04 < doubting_> mailto: href fails in Safari?
16:05 < barry> ive noticed javascript links dont have it
16:11 < Zaren> heh, this 419 wants me to just fly out to Dubai to meet with them so I can talk to them about how I'll be getting my share of the money
16:12 < csmoll> all expense paid?
16:12 < Zaren> wow, apple stock spiked $2 a share today
16:12 < Zaren> closed at 16.58
16:12 < pilgrim`> why?
16:13 < Zaren> I'd assume hte news about how well the music store did it's first week
16:13 < pilgrim`> them stock brokers will do it for a song...
16:13 < pilgrim`> 5 times I entered names, songs and groups and never made a single hit
16:14 < barry> thers some very fucked up categorization on that store
16:14 < Zaren> I was telling my mom about it, and she sounded interested in checking it out
16:14 < barry> i still want to know what holiday one listens to 'love to love you babay'
16:14 < Zaren> especially after I told her there's 26 Jimmy Buffett albums on there
16:14 < pilgrim`> I will grant that my tastes ar enot current nor main stream, but then, Apple users are by nature a bit "out there".  You would think the music store would reflect that
16:15 < barry> fromw hat i could see the selection was not very deep
16:15 < barry> fwe here n there scattered groups/genres
16:15 < csmoll> There will be some new music added tomorrow according to MacCentral.
16:15 < barry> yea w hole 3200 songs
16:15 < csmoll> Including Alanis Morissette's library.
16:15 < barry> thats like 1% more
16:15 < csmoll> which I plan on obtaining a few tracks from.
16:16 < barry> mebe they'll move donna summer out of holiday music heh
16:16 < pilgrim`> I looked for a simple main stream Irish Rock group from the 70s and NOooo.  I tried Celtic Folk,  nada, tried Apalachian dulcimer: zip...
16:16 < pilgrim`> So I tried Balinese folk music, 
16:16 < barry> thats not exaclty mainstream
16:16 < pilgrim`> as I said ;)
16:17 < barry> try u2 or britney spears
16:17 < barry> heh
16:17 < Zaren> and how many of those groups can be found in the big sales catalog of the big 5 music companies?
16:17 < pilgrim`> If I was main stream I would listen to britney on my PC
16:18 < barry> dont deny it
16:18 < barry> we know you do
16:18 < pilgrim`> my PC has mainly work related files on it...and the wife's email client
16:18 < pilgrim`> NOT Outlook btw
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16:19 < pilgrim`> I refuse to allow ahtml aware mail client in the same county with my network
16:19 < Arakiyah> What would I need as far as hardware and software goes to set up an internet cafe?
16:19 < barry> windows 
16:19 < Zaren> um, whatever you want
16:19 < barry> heh
16:19 < pilgrim`> Arak  well a capacino maker to begin with
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16:20 < pilgrim`> a juicer for the organic crowd too
16:20 < barry> dont forget to play the irish celtic music
16:20 < kine> I couldn't do it with macs,  barry?
16:20 < pilgrim`> that too
16:20 < barry> why the hell would you want to
16:20 < pilgrim`> but don't look for them on Apple's Music store
16:20 < barry> 95% of the customers wont visit heh
16:20 < kine> why not?
16:21 < Zaren> the better question would be: why would you want to spend the extra money on macs?
16:21 < jadin> who goes to internet cafes anymore anyways
16:21 < barry> besides windows has premade apps for doing login/billing
16:21 < Zaren> because you know it'd be a lot cheaper to go with crappy wintel clones
16:21 < barry> yea.. just sitoutside a starbucks with a airport card
16:21 < pilgrim`> kine becasue Macs are too difficult to use for brain dead Windows yuppies
16:21 <@tris> aren't internet cafes all the rage in china?
16:21 < pilgrim`> not right now
16:21 < Zaren> "pc baangs"
16:21 <@tris> did they shut em down?
16:21 < pilgrim`> SARS
16:21 <@tris> oh yeah
16:22 < Zaren> http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/technology/2000/0901/tech.net.html
16:22 < Zaren> I was actually looking into what it might take to start one of those up
16:22 < kine> well, I was thinking more of a dining-focused icafe. Just like a regular resteraunt where you just happen to be able to surf, too.
16:22 < barry> if you set up a internet cafe dont let tris in, cuz he'll make them all look like macs 
16:22 < barry> heh
16:23 < kine> I say it's a good idea..
16:23 < barry> internet burger king!
16:23 < Zaren> so do I
16:23 < kine> iTacoBell :P
16:23 < Zaren> "PC Baangs are appointed with thick carpets and velvet sofas, and access costs as much as $9 an hour (including a sandwich)"
16:24 < barry> woo velvet sofas
16:24 < Zaren> heh
16:24 < barry> bring out the hookers
16:24 <@tris> that sounds quite cozy
16:24 < pilgrim`> remember when that Worm took out some of the backbone?  It shut DOWN Korea!
16:25 <@tris> why?
16:25 < Zaren> I was looking at pay-to-access internet kiosks, too
16:25 < Zaren> seems like a decent business in the right market
16:26 < kd> The US would need social reengineering for that sort of thing to work.
16:26 < kd> its sort of like a sporting event in Korea
16:26 < kd> (A student in the _Issues in Multimedia Authoring_ course I took presented on them)
16:26 < Zaren> plunk a terminal down in a coffee house off campus, charge $2 for 15, 20 minutes of dialup time...  plenty of time for the latte sippers to check mail and the sports scores...
16:27 < barry> dont forget the porn
16:27 < barry> thats where the money is heh
16:27 < Zaren> porn, over dialup, in 15 minutes, in a public venue?
16:27 < barry> eh, yer gona do this on dialup?
16:27 < kine> aaahahaa
16:28 < Zaren> how else would you suggest getting internet access to random coffee chops and grocery stores?
16:28 < Zaren> you want I should run cable to every terminal? :)
16:28 < barry> 802.11
16:28 < kine> it's called networking, Zaren
16:28 < Zaren> it's also called dozens of square miles of geography I'm looking at covering
16:29 < csmoll> WOOT
16:29 < csmoll> I can go out and take pictures today
16:29 < Zaren> not exactly an area I could cover with a couple of Pringles cans
16:29 < csmoll> and I can go and test the iPod :D
16:29 < csmoll> scoreeeeeeee
16:29 < pilgrim`> stack up 20 SEs and run Localtalk to them.  Run it all thru a LT Bridge on MacTCP and charge by the minute
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16:34 <@Spam_Man> cory: still employed?
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16:34 < csmoll> I'm actually employed by two employers at current.
16:34 < csmoll> The bathhouse? *sigh* yes.
16:34 <@Spam_Man> rollin in the dough then?
16:35 < csmoll> Well.. I'm getting by.
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16:36 < _NiN_> he's able to fund his apple product habit ;)
16:37 < confucius> hey csmoll, which iPod did you get?
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